As much as I’d like to see an alternative to YouTube on the fediverse, I can’t see myself using it much unless my favorite content creators move on over there too. And I can’t see them moving.
Oddysee is built on LBRY, which I believe is the closest thing. I think there’s something else called PeerTube, but I’m not sure what it is exactly (haven’t looked into it).
I might be too pedantic, but Odysee/LBRY is a blockchain-based decentralized network. But its not federated and it doesn’t use activitypub like Lemmy and mastodon. I would only call Peertube to be part of the fediverse.
Not too pedantic at all; those are indeed two distinct ways of creating similar applications. In my opinion, federated alternatives are more appealing than those based on blockchain technologies. Federated networks are proving to provide a more palatable experience through hybrid decentralized centralization.
Federated networks are also able to leverage community goodwill to provide a free experience. Blockchains are just a tool to extract money from users in the name of immutability.
Perhaps I’m mistaken, but is value inherently necessary to perpetuate PoW or verification steps in a Blockchain? In other words, do you need to create value for it to work? I didn’t think that was a necessary first step, but I suppose it could be if it’s all driven by miners or some other random PoW mechanism with a monetary incentive.
It’s not inherent (for example private blockchains exist and are being used, but private blockchains may as well be a centralized system anyway), but it is a soft requirement. You may create a Blockchain without mining rewards, but then there is no incentive to do work and you are much more vulnerable to 51% attacks. You could argue that federated servers already perform work out of the goodness of their hearts, but in the case of federated networks the work being done is much less than PoW blockchains, because only the first node to validate a block does useful work, all the other mining done is worthless. That in turn means that you are hammerring your server (if you aren’t, see above comment about 51% attacks) for effectively 0 reward. If you add the fact that blockchains as they exist must always be dealing in some sort of “value” exchange, and it means blockchains always are just money exchange schemes. Their volatility also turns them from stores of money to speculation a instruments and then it’s even harder to build community on it (I suggest the second part of the Line Goes Up documentary on yt for the community aspect of blockchains).
I’m pretty sure peertube is just a selfhosted version of YouTube that caches YT videos locally. Not an actual separate platform to upload videos to. I could be mistaken.
Partially correct. You can self host peertube instances. What differentiates it from YouTube is:
Instances can share their video lists with other instances via ActivityPub. Even to Mastodon and Lemmy.
PeerTube video player is peer to peer. You can download the video from the server directly or from another peer watching the same video. This may be helpful for livestreams.
I’ve been tracking the Fediverse loosely since stumbling into StatusNet and OStatus in 2011. To see the fediverse alive and well after being away for so long makes me very happy, though I don’t share the same political opinions as many of the people here.
That said, I’d argue there needs to be a way to spin up PeerTube and educate the masses on how to do that instead of starting a YouTube channel.
what’s the fediverse alternative to YouTube? seems like this is the way the 2020’s are going
As much as I’d like to see an alternative to YouTube on the fediverse, I can’t see myself using it much unless my favorite content creators move on over there too. And I can’t see them moving.
Oddysee is built on LBRY, which I believe is the closest thing. I think there’s something else called PeerTube, but I’m not sure what it is exactly (haven’t looked into it).
I might be too pedantic, but Odysee/LBRY is a blockchain-based decentralized network. But its not federated and it doesn’t use activitypub like Lemmy and mastodon. I would only call Peertube to be part of the fediverse.
Not too pedantic at all; those are indeed two distinct ways of creating similar applications. In my opinion, federated alternatives are more appealing than those based on blockchain technologies. Federated networks are proving to provide a more palatable experience through hybrid decentralized centralization.
Federated networks are also able to leverage community goodwill to provide a free experience. Blockchains are just a tool to extract money from users in the name of immutability.
Perhaps I’m mistaken, but is value inherently necessary to perpetuate PoW or verification steps in a Blockchain? In other words, do you need to create value for it to work? I didn’t think that was a necessary first step, but I suppose it could be if it’s all driven by miners or some other random PoW mechanism with a monetary incentive.
It’s not inherent (for example private blockchains exist and are being used, but private blockchains may as well be a centralized system anyway), but it is a soft requirement. You may create a Blockchain without mining rewards, but then there is no incentive to do work and you are much more vulnerable to 51% attacks. You could argue that federated servers already perform work out of the goodness of their hearts, but in the case of federated networks the work being done is much less than PoW blockchains, because only the first node to validate a block does useful work, all the other mining done is worthless. That in turn means that you are hammerring your server (if you aren’t, see above comment about 51% attacks) for effectively 0 reward. If you add the fact that blockchains as they exist must always be dealing in some sort of “value” exchange, and it means blockchains always are just money exchange schemes. Their volatility also turns them from stores of money to speculation a instruments and then it’s even harder to build community on it (I suggest the second part of the Line Goes Up documentary on yt for the community aspect of blockchains).
Nano is a good example of a no-value-generating blockchain. And it works
I’m pretty sure peertube is just a selfhosted version of YouTube that caches YT videos locally. Not an actual separate platform to upload videos to. I could be mistaken.
Partially correct. You can self host peertube instances. What differentiates it from YouTube is:
Definitely did not realize this, that is really cool! Thanks for sharing.
Also its a separate okatform. Could be used to cache YT videos but that’s not its primary purpose.
Its a separate platform. It could be used to cache YT videos but that’s not its primary purpose.
I’ve been tracking the Fediverse loosely since stumbling into StatusNet and OStatus in 2011. To see the fediverse alive and well after being away for so long makes me very happy, though I don’t share the same political opinions as many of the people here.
That said, I’d argue there needs to be a way to spin up PeerTube and educate the masses on how to do that instead of starting a YouTube channel.