*please note i deeply value and respect the vegan movement. i am just critical of how humorously it precipitates in online spaces, particularly this one. :)

  • alx@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    basically the same way we assert the right to tell people to stop using ai, to stop being racist, sexist, transphobic, using planes or heavy cars, giving money to fascists…

    chosing to view animals as resources is not about diet, it’s about power over sentient beings and hierarchy of lives based on species.

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      Holy false equivalences, Batman! Are you going for the record or are you really THAT bad at discerning wildly disparate concepts and levels of severity from each other? 🤦

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          Nope. They’re objectively spewing a large array of false equivalence and my personal comment was directly and logically derived from that and that only.

          It was thus logically sound AKA not a fallacy.

          Your comment, on the other hand, is a textbook example of a reverse causation fallacy strawman combo:

          you portray my criticism of their argument as a personal criticism when in fact my subsequent personal criticism is based on the illogic of their argument and nothing else.

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            You literally asked if they were that bad at logic while offering no actual refute to what they had to say. But whatever, have a nice day

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              “Those are not at all equivalent” IS a refutation.

              It’s not my job to spoonfeed bigots about exactly how my dietary (lack of) choices is different from hating trans and black people while sponsoring fascism 🙄

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                If your diet includes meat, you are most likely causing the death of an animal. If you believe that killing animals is wrong, then it follows that eating meat is also wrong. As to what is more wrong versus what is less wrong, that varies from culture to culture and age to age. Perhaps they believe that killing an animal is almost as bad as killing a human. Their argument is sound; it is just based on different axioms than yours.

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                  Their argument is sound; it is just based on different axioms than yours.

                  No. Their argument is based on applying their subjective beliefs that I don’t share to my actions and as such by definition not sound.

                  It’s a 1:1 equivalent of anti choice people calling abortion murder.

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                    No. Their argument is based on applying their subjective beliefs that I don’t share to my actions and as such by definition not sound.

                    Do you believe that racism or sexism is wrong? Do you think a racist or sexist person would share your belief? Are you not, then, applying your subjective beliefs that they don’t share to their actions?

                    We judge others based on our moral standards, not theirs. To someone who sees the killing of an animal as a great sin, your actions might therefore seem wrong.